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Last Post 11-14-2010 03:27 PM by dsnodgrass. 1 Replies.
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11-10-2010 05:41 PM
    For those of you who  know Steve Mickley from either the Hardwood Lumber & More store or his side job of hosting Wood Magazine's finishing forum, you know his distaste for polyurethane.

    While I have and do occasionally use it, I think it's probably one of the most overused products there is. Many people think it is just the universal finish (I often have customers tell me they have polyurethane on their factory furniture (which would be a first to me)).   Just like people think Polyurethane glue (Gorilla Glue) is just the ne plus ultra glue.

    I had a customer a few years ago that was a wood turner.  He'd read FWW's article on wipe on finishes that concluded Minwax Wipe On Poly as the winner.  So this guy stocked up a whole cabinet with the stuff. 
    * First, now really, do you need the protection of a polyurethane on something that sits behind glass on a shelf? 
    * Second, that test was programmed to have a winner.  By taking widely varying products, ignoring both label directions and common knowledge for application, the outcome was determined before the test was started.
    * There are easier to apply finishes that would look much better on his objets d'art

    So... What finish should you use?  I don't care -- as long as you choose it based on knowledge and not habit.  I would not think the exact same finish would be the best for a dining table top, a formal chair, a jewelry box, a mantle, and a piece of art sitting on a shelf.  None of these have the same usage requirements, so why would one finish be the best for all?

    Below are some of my thoughts:
    Polyurethane:
      Pros                                    Cons

     inexpensive                           Yellows considerably
     easy to find                            difficult to repair, difficult to buff to a different sheen
     abrasion resistant                   learning curve on application involving  sanding, thinning, and brush stroke
     good  water resistance           Low UV resistance
                                                  Can look "plasticy" if applied too thickly
                                                   Prone to brush marks
    Apply with brush or pad
    Examples: Minwax, Minwax, Minwax, Minwax, Varathane, Cabot Poly, General Arm-R-Seal (wiping), Sherwin Williams Poly, store brand polys
    Note that "abrasion resistant" does not mean hard.  In fact it mean soft and rubbery.

    Non Poly varnishes (alkyds and phenolic)
    Pros                                      Cons
    Good appearance                   Harder to find
    Non-yellowing                        More expensive
    Hard, able to rub out
    Good to excellent water resistance
    Better UV resistance
    Light to dark amber coloring (depending on choice)

    Brush or pad

    Examples
    Alkyd: Sherwin Williams Fast-Dry (non poly), Pratt & Lambert #38, Cabot 8000 series (was McCloskey's Heirloom), Minwax Tung Oil Finish (yes, really)
    Phenolic: Waterlox, Behlen's Rockhard

    Shellac
    Pros                                         Cons

    Excellent color and depth          Less water resistance
    Available in different shades       Limited shelf life once mixed with alcohol (1-3 years)
      (super blonde, blonde, lemon,
      orange, garnet)
    Dries very fast (20 min)
    Hard, easy to rub
    Extremely easy to repair / refresh
    Spray, brush, or pad
    Barrier coat for silicone contamination
      or dissimilar finishes, knot bleed, smells, etc.


    Examples: Zinsser has a virtual monopoly on US products


    Lacquer
    Pros                                                Cons

    Good color and depth                      Slightly less water resistance
    Dries very fast                                  Smellier during application
    Hard, easy to rub
    Extremely easy to repair / refresh
    Spray or brush

    Oil
    Pros                                                 Cons

    Easy to apply                                   Virtually zero water resistance
    Easy to renew                                  Needs periodic renewal when dull
    Flat, in the wood look                      Has to be  done exactly right to not  fail (Tung)
    Adds good figure                             Darkens some woods (good or bad, depending on what you want)
                                                           Tung oil much more expensive with little difference to BLO.

    Pad or brush and wipe off all excess
    Examples: Boiled Linseed Oil  (BLO),  100% Tung Oil

    Oil-varnish blends
    Pros:                                                   Cons

    Easy to apply                                       Less water resistance, but more than oil alone
    Easy to renew                                      Hard to determine what product to buy, unless you mix your own.
    More in the wood finish with light film   More expensive than buying components and    "     "      "       "
    Advantages of oil and some                  Should not build up much of a film finish or it will be soft.
       protection of varnish
     
    Pad on, pad off excess before it becomes tacky

    Examples:  Danish Oil (various mfr.), Watco, ValOil, Minwax Tung Oil Finish (which is neither an oil, nor Tung Oil), Minwax Antique Oil

    Recipe for make your own:   start with 1/3 each : Mineral spirits, Varnish of choice, Boiled Linseed Oil
    For a thinner mix, add more mineral spirits.
    For a faster build, add more varnish
    For a softer finish, add more oil.

    Water borne (acrylics)
    Pros                                                               Cons

    Water white adding little to no color                Can appear "blue" and looks too cool on woods we are
    Harder, easier to rub                                         accustomed to seeing amber (cherry, walnut)
    Little odor                                                      Can be prone to foam or brush mark without technique
    Very fast drying
    Easier to repair
    Good for very light woods, painted & pickled finishes

    Spray or brush
    Examples: Polycrylic (note that this is primarily acrylic with very little poly), General Finishes, Valspar, Varathane Water Based Poly (again acrylic)


    There are a few other finishes out there that are not appropriate for home shop use without specialized equipment, personal protection and ventilation. 
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    11-14-2010 03:27 PM
    thanks for this.
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